Elaine Is Reading: Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde > Chapter 1 – Part 2

[00:00:00] Foreign you’re listening to. Elaine is reading the strange case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, episode one, chapter one, part two.

[00:00:13] Thanks for coming back for more. This is the continuation of my discussion of the story of the Door, which is the first chapter in the book so far. This absolutely bonkers level of foolishness is only making me, like, hide and hate the upstand members of British society.

[00:00:34] And maybe that’s the whole point. They’re disgustingly awful people. Except for Utterson, who I believe is the true star and main character of this book.

[00:00:49] So Enfield, beautifully, you know, there’s a, you know, for all of that craziness, you know, Utterson is just like, you know, know, who was this? What was the name of this guy?

[00:01:04] You know, and he said it was a man by the name of Hyde. And Utterson’s like, and what sort of a man is he to see?

[00:01:17] And this is kind of crucial for me, this moment in the first chapter, because all of the versions of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde that I have seen, except for the TV series with. Was it Alan Cumming? And that’s super, super tall, huge guy. I can’t remember his name. The actor Hyde is either a huge, like League of Extraordinary, gentlemanly huge guy, like a monster, or he’s like a super hot, charismatic John Malkovic, right?

[00:02:04] Long, greasy hair kind of dude who gets all the ladies kind of person.

[00:02:11] I’ve never seen a version of Hyde where he’s a dwarf, like a small, stumpy man.

[00:02:23] I’ve never seen that before.

[00:02:25] I’ve never seen a movie version of Hyde where he’s small, which is interesting to me because he’s clearly described as a small man. And he’s described. Later the word dwarf comes up that he’s dwarfish. He’s like a.

[00:02:44] Like a nasty dwarf.

[00:02:48] I’ve never seen a version of Hyde like this, ever. I’ve never seen an interpretation of Hyde that is accurate to how he is described.

[00:02:59] But what I liked is this description of him. And this description of him is given to you by Enfield. Okay, so again, the people that are telling you the story are coloring your understanding of the characters.

[00:03:18] Enfield, Keep in mind this is the same man who chased down this guy, grabbed him by the collar and participated in the blackmail.

[00:03:27] He’s the one describing Hyde to you.

[00:03:31] He’s the one telling you what kind of man this guy is.

[00:03:37] The man who so far has done nothing except barrel down a small child and not give a, but clearly knows somebody very powerful in the city who writes checks for him, that’s the only thing we know about Hyde, is that he’s smart enough to know when he’s, he’s being blackmailed and he knows somebody very powerful enough that 4 o’ clock in the morning he can be like, yo, I need a check. And he gets a check. So that’s all we know about Hyde right now. Everything we know, everything else we know about him is that everybody hates him and wants to kill him instantly and they don’t even know him. That’s what we know about him.

[00:04:14] That’s bullshit. Okay, so he says this is the description of Hyde, the first description of Hyde that we get after he says one, a little man who was stumping along eastward at a good walk. That’s the first description of Hyde that we get in the entire book. The very first one. A little man stumping along, okay?

[00:04:42] He says he’s not easy to describe there’s something wrong with his appearance something displeasing, something downright detestable I never saw a man I so disliked and yet I scarce know why he must be deformed somewhere he gives off a strong feeling of deformity Although I couldn’t specify the point he’s an extraordinary looking man and yet I really can name nothing out of the way I can make no hand of it, I can’t describe him and it’s not want of memory for I declare I can see him at this moment so he’s displeasing, he’s downright detestable I never saw a man I so disliked and yet don’t know why. He must be deformed somewhere although I couldn’t specify the point but he’s an extraordinary looking man that I can’t describe.

[00:06:06] Is it me?

[00:06:10] Is anyone?

[00:06:17] You’ve just described essentially a feeling, wouldn’t you say?

[00:06:26] You’ve described something that you can’t put your finger on that this loathing, right? It’s a deep indescribable loathing. This, this grotesque feeling of disgust.

[00:06:44] And you know, in Enfield’s mind he must be deformed in some way. Well, you’re looking right at him.

[00:06:50] Is he deformed?

[00:06:52] No, but he must be because there’s no other way to describe the kind of disgust I feel for this man.

[00:07:04] Okay, but he’s just like a small stumpy little dude. I know, but he’s disgusting.

[00:07:10] He’s detestable. I want to kill him on sight. There was something about him that makes me hate him instantly and I can’t tell you why.

[00:07:25] Okay, that’s strong, right? That’s a.

[00:07:31] That’s an incredibly strong reaction to somebody, isn’t it?

[00:07:37] Like that instant feeling of hate and murderous intent of someone that you don’t even know. Well, in the world we live in right now, there’s plenty of people who feel that instantly for no reason whatsoever. But the point is, that feeling is so clear. And I love that description that Enfield gives. That description of Hyde is so strong and powerful, even though it doesn’t say anything at all about his looks. But I love the fact that he says he’s both displeasing, detestable, deformed and extraordinary.

[00:08:23] I love that. That really sucks me in, those contradictions.

[00:08:33] And I wonder if that contradiction.

[00:08:37] Where we get all of these different interpretations of Hyde in the movies and the TV series and all these things, like, everybody has their own version of what Hyde looks like, even though there’s a few places where he has been aptly described as looking like a dwarf and like a short, scrawny dwarf. And Jekyll’s clothes don’t fit him properly. They’re way too big for him, right? But I wonder if this paragraph right here, that describes him in such contradictory ways, but ways that somehow fit together is where you get this open version of what Hyde could possibly be in anybody’s mind, as long as he evokes some emotion that you can’t put your finger on, but that makes you feel angry and disgusted, right?

[00:09:33] Whatever that it means to you. And for some people, that could be an incredibly sociopathic but charming man. To other people, that could be this gigantic grotesque, you know, juggernaut of a creature, you know, that small head and a big body. Or it could be like some Phantom of the Opera type with some sort of physical deformity or something. Like in everybody’s mind, this paragraph means something different.

[00:10:02] And I wonder if that’s where it starts, that interpretation in your mind of what Hyde could be.

[00:10:12] As an affant. I don’t have a visual representation of Hyde. I don’t have an ability to take this paragraph and put it into my mind’s eye and conjure up a visual image of what I think this means. My interpretation of Hyde is every version of Hyde that I’ve ever seen in a film or on television that exists in my memory. So when someone says hide, I think of some version of Hyde. My first. When someone says hide, my first thought is the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen Hyde. Because I thought that was so ridiculous and I thought that that was so crazy and like, just. Just the Strangest version of Hyde I’d ever seen. And that usually comes to my mind. Like I said, my aff is such that I can pull from memory, but I can’t create something new. So if I haven’t seen it, it doesn’t exist. And if I have seen it, it becomes what that thing is. So, like, if you say, you know, picture a shark, I usually picture the. The last shark I saw in a book. Or I usually immediately think of Jaws. Jaws is shark. For me, that’s what shark means. When you say shark, I see Jaws, period. I don’t see. Sometimes I see jabber jaw. It depends on. On the situation.

[00:11:32] But, like, there are specific things that come to mind. So when someone says Hyde, I usually think of that gigantic version of Hyde.

[00:11:42] But I also, secondarily, I will think of John Malkovich’s Hyde in Mary Riley. And you have to say it like that because that’s how you’re supposed to say it, because that’s what was in the trailer and that’s what I remember. Most people are afraid of them. But you’re not, are you? No, sir, I’m not.

[00:12:01] The movie Mary Riley. That’s how you have to say it. I remember his version of Hyde because to me, that version was nonsensical. Almost as nonsensical as the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Because to me, that wasn’t this sort of monster in my mind, but he was kind of a monster. He was that charismatic kind of sociopath, psychopath monster, but sort of sexy in some weird way or whatever, right? So I think of the big guy and I think of the little guy when you say Hyde. So when I was reading this for the first time and I read that description, I had to somehow change what existed in my mind as the placeholder for Hyde.

[00:12:49] But the visual of a small man or a dwarf, like some sort of grotesque dwarf.

[00:12:57] Like, sadly, I think of Hoggle is when you say grotesque dwarf. I think of Hoggle from Labyrinth, even though I think he’s supposed to be cute. It’s hopeless asking you anything, not if you ask the right questions.

[00:13:11] I think he’s grotesque. I think of grotesque dwarf as Hoggle. Or sometimes I think of, like, a gremlin, like from Gremlins. Like, not Gizmo Gremlin, but more like striped gremlin, like the green ones. Like some sort of weird conglomeration of Hoggle. And a gremlin is what I think of when someone says grotesque dwarf.

[00:13:34] So my version of Hyde has had to change, and it’s had to Become another kind of amalgamation or Photoshop job of things that are short, stumpy and gross, because that’s what he’s described as. But then on top of it, you have to put this feeling, this internal feeling, right, that you have to conjure up to go with that, the disgust, but also extraordinary. And here, I don’t mean, I don’t think extraordinary means handsome or charming. I think extraordinary means, like, it’s indescribable. It’s completely out of the ordinary. It’s an, it’s an indescribable quality. He’s extraordinary. He’s not normal, he’s not ordinary. He’s extraordinary. But he’s also detestable and displeasing and deformed.

[00:14:39] I have a hard time putting all of that together in my mind and coming up with one image, and I don’t know that anybody could do that. You would have to come up with what those words mean to you. And then you have John Malkovic or you have the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen guy or the guy in the British TV series, that guy.

[00:15:04] That’s what’s interesting to me, how you take this paragraph. This is the first time Hyde is being described. And basically he’s being described as a feeling that you can’t quite articulate.

[00:15:21] So he has no form, really, aside from being a little man who stomps along.

[00:15:28] Right. And, and to me, that means like, he’s kind of stumping along.

[00:15:37] It’s like he’s got some sort of gate about him that’s weird, I guess.

[00:15:42] So I, I again, I. The people who read this and then they make their versions of what Hyde looks like, like, that would be my first question.

[00:15:52] How did you determine in your movie or your TV series how you wanted Hyde to look?

[00:15:58] What about this novella made you make Hyde look like this or made you interpret Hyde this way? I’m being literal, like, when I’m describing him. So I’m always curious where people get this version of Hyde that we have seen, all these different versions of him, like, gross, or like, with a black top hat, creeping around like a Jack the Ripper type or something. Like, where do you get that from?

[00:16:31] You know, to me, just in the first nine pages of this book, what little we have of Hyde, he’s none of those things.

[00:16:41] Even when Richard Armitage does his voice and there’s no description of his voice at all. So Richard Armitage, who is an extraordinary actor and has extraordinary voice, he has to decide, too, how he wants to do Hyde’s voice, how do we know what Hyde sounds like?

[00:17:05] His voice hasn’t been described in any way.

[00:17:10] He just speaks.

[00:17:12] If you choose to make capital out of this incident, said he, I am naturally helpless. No gentleman but wishes to avoid a scene. Says he name your figure, but there’s no description of what he sounds like. There’s no description of what this tiny man who stumps along that everybody hates sounds like.

[00:17:33] So Richard Armitage has to come up with this voice for Hyde based on his bias or his, you know, understanding of what the character is later on or what he is right now.

[00:17:50] And he gave him kind of a gruff, kind of Bill Sykesy sounding voice.

[00:18:00] Well, you know, that kind of thing. I can’t do it well, but like it. I mean, he doesn’t sound mean, but he has a gruff sounding.

[00:18:09] Well, I don’t know what you want me to do, you know, kind of tone.

[00:18:15] But if I was just reading this without listening to the audiobook, I don’t know that I. What kind of sound? Again, as an affant, I don’t. People don’t have vocal tones or vocal qualities in my mind when I read. They don’t have any distinct sounding voice.

[00:18:33] They don’t have character, they don’t have faces to me either.

[00:18:37] It’s just me reading the text and the person sounds like what I think the text would sound like if I was reading it.

[00:18:46] So I didn’t give Hyde a voice when I was reading these lines. I did not give him a sound. I didn’t give him a personality at all. There’s nothing about what he says that makes me think he sounds any particular way. So I have no impression of Hyde whatsoever except how he’s been described.

[00:19:06] And how he’s been described to me is very specific and kind of clear. A small man and who’s rude and doesn’t seem to care about, you know, running over a child. So he’s also an.

[00:19:22] But the description of what the people did to him, the assumptions they made about him, how badly they treated him without even knowing who he was, how they were determined to destroy his reputation not knowing anything about him except one demonstration of his character, which technically should be enough, I guess.

[00:19:43] And the fact that he was further judged by the fact that he couldn’t possibly be a friend of or an acquaintance of this very well respected man who wrote this check because that well respected man is a good man. And a good man wouldn’t be associated with somebody like this unless he was being blackmailed. All of that interpretation of Hyde done by an Angry crowd of strangers makes me less likely to think Hyde is the bad guy.

[00:20:23] I don’t see that at all here.

[00:20:26] Did he run over somebody? Yes.

[00:20:29] Did he hurt them? No.

[00:20:32] The girl was going at a full run, right?

[00:20:36] One little man who was stumping along eastward at a good walk and the other a girl of maybe 8 or 10 who was running as hard as she was able.

[00:20:45] So who ran into who?

[00:20:49] I failed to think, or failed to believe that it says. And, well, sir, the two ran into each other naturally enough at the corner. And then came the horrible part of the thing.

[00:21:04] For the man trampled calmly over the child’s body and left her screaming on the ground.

[00:21:11] It wasn’t like a man. It was like some damned juggernaut.

[00:21:15] So hold on a minute.

[00:21:18] A little man who was stumping along eastward at a good walk and a girl of 8 or 10 who was running as hard as she was able to.

[00:21:27] You’re telling me that he was the one that trampled her like a juggernaut?

[00:21:37] Make it make sense.

[00:21:41] Seriously, make that make sense.

[00:21:44] Sense to me how? Hyde is the one who trampled the girl and left her screaming on the ground and kept walking after he ran into her like a damn juggernaut.

[00:21:58] The little man who was stumping along at a good walk.

[00:22:04] What about the girl who was running as fast as she was able.

[00:22:10] I’m not very good at physics, Corey. You’re good at physics?

[00:22:16] Who trampled who?

[00:22:20] We don’t know. We weren’t there. Fuck, Corey. It was the girl’s fault.

[00:22:29] All I’m saying is Enfield’s description of events and the way that it’s been interpreted by just this one man’s recollection of events doesn’t make sense to me.

[00:22:45] It doesn’t make sense what they did to Hyde. It doesn’t make sense how they attacked him, how they blackmailed him, how they made assumptions about him based on how he could possibly be walking and trampling a girl who was running, I don’t see that.

[00:23:08] And if that’s what IND did ha indeed happen when they collided, she collided with him. Or they collided with each other and she fell and he kept walking, in which case it’s nobody’s fault in particular at all, but it’s somehow his responsibility. And I understand that as a gentleman, he should have stopped and helped her up.

[00:23:33] Hyde, to me, does not strike me as someone who gives a fuck about what he should be expected to do when something isn’t his fault.

[00:23:45] And he reads this mob of people very clearly by how they’re threatening him even though he hasn’t even had a chance to speak.

[00:23:55] We’re gonna ruin your name. Since we can’t kill you, we’re gonna destroy you socially.

[00:24:03] Well, how much money do you want to not do that? A hundred pounds? Like that transaction was so fast.

[00:24:10] So these. These people are hardly saints. They are hardly innocent people.

[00:24:19] And Hyde, who did nothing but walk down the street and get run over by a running child or get run into and she probably bounced off of him or whatever, he’s somehow the bad guy in nine pages. I’m already completely unimpressed with these people. And I don’t see. I don’t have any problem with Hyde whatsoever. I. As far as I’m concerned, Hyde is a victim. Right now in the first nine pages of this book. I don’t see how Hyde is the bad guy. I’m very interested in Hyde because I think he’s been a victim of a bunch of crazy people.

[00:24:52] And I don’t like Enfield because he was a party to this whole thing. And his interpretation of events is the only interpretation we have. Along with his description of this man who he admittedly says he hated and wanted to kill on sight and couldn’t tell you why.

[00:25:15] What the fuck is wrong with you? Like, I’m not interested in Enfield at this point. Enfield, to me, needs therapy.

[00:25:24] Utterson, I think, is interesting because by the end of the book, the reason he didn’t ask about who wrote the check is because he already knows he was interested in Hyde. Because Hyde he had not met or heard of, but he knows the person who signed that check.

[00:25:41] And I’m interested in Utterson because again, of how he’s been described as, you know, the last good influence of down, Downgoing men and a very loyal friend. The fact that he didn’t ask because he knew and he didn’t want to, you know, add to the slander of his.

[00:26:00] His acquaintance’s name makes me like Utterson. He’s interested in the. Like he said, did he really have a key? Like that was Utterson’s main question. Did he really have a key to that door?

[00:26:14] He was interested in the fact that the guy had a key. So he’s intimately, you know, acquainted with this person that Utterson knows. It’s not just that he’s a friend who gave him a check. He has a key to the guy’s house. So Utterson was like, did he really have a key?

[00:26:28] I was interested in Utterson because he wants to get information.

[00:26:34] And he’s clearly like, I know the guy that wrote the check. I know who you’re talking about. Who’s this other guy? The guy that has a key. Who’s that?

[00:26:45] So I’m. I’m intrigued. Right off the bat, in nine pages, you have my attention. I could care less about Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde and whatever it is that I know.

[00:26:56] I’m interested in how an entire society of people has decided to gang up on and blackmail someone that they don’t even know. And they’ve determined to judge them for one action that technically wasn’t even their fault.

[00:27:11] And somehow Hyde is the bad guy.

[00:27:17] I am not buying that. You’re not going to convince me of that. The only thing that you’ve convinced me now is that this society of British gentlemen are a bunch of corrupt, disgusting, selfish, untrustworthy people. That’s all you’ve managed to convince me of in nine pages.

[00:27:32] That’s it.

[00:27:35] Needless to say, I was not expecting to read this book and have this thought about it.

[00:27:42] Like, if you had told me that when I started reading Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, I would be like, Hyde is a victim right now.

[00:27:51] Hyde hasn’t done anything. Who are these crazy British people? What is going on? Like, that is not the expectation I had going in.

[00:28:00] That is not the feeling that I expected to have reading this book. I expected this book to be about Jekyll and about Hyde and. And it’s not so far. So far it’s about British people being dicks and being absolutely conniving and really, really disgusting examples of human behavior.

[00:28:21] That’s what I’ve gotten so far.

[00:28:24] That’s what this book is about right now for me and Utterson.

[00:28:29] I’m very interested in his role in this because we’ve been set up to understand exactly what kind of man he is and what kind of man he is to other men. Right. And what kind of friend he is to these men who may not be exactly pillars of society. Right.

[00:28:47] I’m very interested in this man who is the last reputable acquaintance and the last good influence in the lives of downgoing men.

[00:28:58] So my first thought is, okay, is he going to be a friend to hide? Is he going to be someone who is going to accept, you know, the shortcomings without judgment. Right. Of someone who maybe is down going like we’ve been set up so much to understand what kind of person Utterson is that he’s loyal, that all of his friends are old, and that he doesn’t judge people and that he kind of would let people Fail on their own without trying to get involved.

[00:29:28] Does that mean he’s going to be a part of a relationship in some way with Hyde? Who, as far as I’m concerned, has been completely fucked over for no good reason by an entire group of people?

[00:29:43] I’m wondering what role he’ll play. So that’s my interest going forward into chapter two. It’s who is Utterson to the story? Who is Utterson to Hyde? Who is Utterson to Jekyll? Who again, his name hasn’t been mentioned. We don’t even know that he’s the one that wrote the check. Even though I’m saying obviously he is. But I’m saying right now, we don’t know this person who’s the good man in society, who everyone knows that couldn’t possibly be associated with Hyde. We don’t know that person’s name.

[00:30:13] All we know is that Utterson knows who that is.

[00:30:17] So I’m interested in who that is and how Utterson knows him and what relationship Utterson will have with Hyde going forward.

[00:30:26] So I’m very intrigued. And when I first read this, I was really fascinated with this opening.

[00:30:36] Absolutely made me want to continue with the book, if only to sort of this realization that this book was not what I expected it to be. And it wasn’t written in the way that I expected it to be written. As far as, like, being just about Dr. Jekyll and his process of becoming Hyde and all that stuff. I had no idea that it was written with all of these other things in it and that it starts with these two characters that have. That I’ve never heard of and don’t know about.

[00:31:03] So it definitely sucked me in and it made me really interested in learning more about Hyde. Because if I was mistaken about my. My understanding of the book, what else is in here that I did not know that I was mistaken about? All this time growing up and thinking that I knew this story. What else is in here that I don’t know already that I didn’t even know was a part of this book?

[00:31:26] So I’m looking forward to getting into this and kind of explaining to you guys my feeling about this and my passion for discovering how wonderful this book is and all the things about it that I thought were really cool and all the things that went through my mind and just someone who’s not like, hyper literary and isn’t gonna, like, analyze the shit out of this. I don’t. I don’t care about that stuff. I think books are either made to be read and or enjoyed. And if you really want to take them apart page by page and analyze them and really get into what you think the author was saying and all that you. If that’s does it for you, that’s great. And I think that there’s absolutely value in that, especially if it’s something that gives you a lot of pleasure. But I don’t read books for that reason.

[00:32:16] I’ve never really gotten that much out of a book for reasons I already described. But it’s really, if I. If I’ve gained something, if it changes me in some way, if it affects me in some way, that makes me really change either my perspective of the world or my ideas about a given thing, that’s kind of what I look to get out of a book.

[00:32:40] And already, like, I’m this book, and Dracula and Jane Eyre were books, that changed me considerably in the sense that I started realizing that all the people that read these books and make art from these books don’t like these books.

[00:33:00] They can’t like them. Because I don’t think that you would tear apart and alter and remove and surgically, you know, take apart something that you loved.

[00:33:13] I can’t imagine anyone read these books and was like, I love these books so much, and I want to do justice to them. I want to create something that shows how much I love these books and then give us what we’ve gotten as far as interpretations of these books. I don’t think anyone loved these books. I just don’t. I don’t think that’s what love is. I don’t think love is an interpretation. I don’t think love is a surgical removal of things that you didn’t like. I don’t think that’s love. So you can’t possibly love these books if that’s what you did to them.

[00:33:49] So I’m excited to share with you my genuine love of these books, these stories as they are written, and give them, I think, the kind of love that they deserve from someone who’s not here to pick them apart and try to get into Robert Louis Stevenson’s mind or just someone who’s reading. Reading the book as a reader and who’s coming at it, like, for the first time and getting a raw feeling from the experience of having read this book. That’s all I’m trying to. Trying to give. I’m not trying to give you some very, you know, graduate level anything of this. Like, that’s not what this series is about. It’s just me realizing that I love these stories in A way that I feel not a lot of people or I’ve never read or seen anyone talk about these truly how they were written and really enjoy them. I’ve read plenty of interpretations and analysis where they just take everything apart and just make it unfun and uninteresting. I just mean like a real, like almost like an otaku, like love for this. And that’s kind of what I want to bring to it. Like a real fan perspective of this book, these books and these, these greats. Because I think that they deserve that.

[00:35:44] Not so much whatever you were forced to do in school, which is like take it apart or analyze it and write a 20 page book report, which I think sucks the life out of anything for certain people.

[00:35:59] I’m glad that didn’t happen to me with these books. I’m glad that I can just enjoy them as a reader and that’s what I want to bring. So I hope that you guys will enjoy my raw fan version of what I thought of these books as a first time reader.

[00:36:17] And I hope that you don’t come at me with all your educated college bullshit because that’s not something I care about. And I am not here to try to, to, to do that. I just want to enjoy these and show my love for them and my personal understanding of the, of the story and what it meant to me, which has nothing to do with you or what it meant to you. And I’m not telling you that you can’t have your interpretation of a book or a story or a movie that you love.

[00:36:52] That is your personal journey with that media.

[00:36:58] This is my personal journey with media.

[00:37:01] My personal opinion, which I’m allowed to have about media and it’s just as valid as somebody else’s version who didn’t like the book or wanted the book to be better or made a version of the book that they do like or whatever. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. I’m only saying that I don’t understand how people could read something, say they love it, and then tear it apart and alter it in a way that it becomes unrecognizable. I just don’t think that’s love. I don’t think that’s of true love for, for it. So I hope that you guys will enjoy this series and maybe it’ll make you want to read some classics that you’ve never read before or that you think you know the stories but you don’t really, because you may be really surprised at what you find when you do.

[00:37:57] So I’LL see you hopefully, you know, soon for the second chapter of this which is called the Search for Mr. Hyde and things sort of start picking up a little bit. And thanks for watching this, I really appreciate it. And if you haven’t seen my Elaine Is Watching Wonder Woman series, there’s two episodes of that available on my blog, the Web Recluse and I hope you like those too. So see you soon.

[00:38:36] End of part two. Thanks for listening to my discussion of chapter one of the Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde coming up in chapter two I talk about all the many contradictions around who Mr. Hyde is. It’s all projection and transference from those who see him as other.

[00:38:55] As far as I’m concerned, how everyone reacts to Hyde is a reflection of who they are and not who he is. I hope you’ll continue to enjoy the rest of my podcast and thanks so much for your interest and so support.